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Texas makes us proud. Not. It blows my mind that we still have examples of this level of douchebaggery happening in our country. How ignorant can you be?
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"It would be silly for them to hold an event called 'Muslim Terrorism Day' or 'Support Al-Qaeda Day,' " Mr. Kaufman said. "Of course, they're going to have an event with the most innocuous name possible."
Ha ha. Like a group of terrorists would ever bring this much attention to themselves in the first place. How stupid.
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Jeff, there are muslim terror cells in the USA. It's not ignorance to point out that it could be a way of channeling funds to terrorist organizations by this organization. If you look around the world, it has been the muslims who are doing the terror attacks. Of course the muslims will say that they don't believe in the terror attacks. Like I said, look at history and it will prove my point especially in the past 20 years.
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Love the irony of their name: "Americans Against Hate."
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I agree with Majorcut. I'm a Catholic and molest little boys like some priests did. If you look around the world, it has been Catholics who are doing the molestation. Some Catholics will say that they don't believe in molestation. Like I said, look at history and it will prove my point. Get a clue Majorcut. There are rotten apples in EVERY group, including coaster enthusiasts. Don't judge the rest.
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This won't won't get heated I suppose...  I'm not going to judge either side of this on on an article like this. It is a "he said she said" scenerio. Mr. Kaufman says the Islamic Circle of North America was founded three decades ago as an American arm of the terrorist group Muslim Brotherhood of Pakistan and funnels money to Hamas. If this is true...would it be fair to "judge" this Muslim group harshly...? Mohammad Barney, president of the Dallas chapter of ICNA, said the accusations are troubling and untrue. According to its Web site, ICNA supports Islamic culture and education while promoting justice and understanding. If this is true...would it be fair to judge the protestors harshly...? There is nothing in the article that gives us a clue who is telling the truth, nor could any reasonable person believe half of what a typical journalist says these days (Rather anybody?) anyways. What I fun funny in these types of situations is how quick we have those ready to call out the protestors as kooks...with the media in tow. Typically their responses go something like this... It blows my mind that we still have examples of this level of douchebaggery happening in our country. How ignorant can you be? There are rotten apples in EVERY group, including coaster enthusiasts. Don't judge the rest.
So the message is...don't judge Muslims too harshly. But go ahead and denounce any group who would dare question Muslim activities as douche bags! And do so without any shred of objective data... 
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^^That's sick. Are you sure you want to tell everyone? I hope that was an accident. Anyway, Muslim is a religion. I'm sure some bad dude that did something wrong was a Christian. Are you going to blame all Germans for Hitler too? What's wrong with Muslims? NOTHING. It's a religion, and not a terrorist organization. That's horrible how people persecute other people in this world today.*** This post was edited by Spinout 10/5/2007 10:22:31 AM ***
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Or all CHRISTIANS for Hitler. He wasn't exactly a Buddhist. -CO
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This kind of reminds me of the right wingers who protested gay day at the San Diego zoo. I think some people have too much time. There must be a better way to protest terrorism than to ruin a day for families trying to have fun.
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Spinout, he was kidding. It was to prove a point. And who says all terrorists are Muslim? Anyone remember Timothy McVeigh? He was "Christian."
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Texas makes us proud. Not. Why are you making negative comments about Texas? The group arranging the protest is from Florida.
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A group called Americans Against HATE is protesting a Muslim FAMILY day? hahaha
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"Anyway, Muslim is a religion." LOL.
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Guys, they're protesting the group sponsoring it, not the day itself. Funneling money to terrorists from groups that look legitimate is hardly a new phenomenon (and doesn't require most of its members to even be aware of it). I don't know if that is the case here, but to attack the protestors based on this article is simply ridiculous. They might very well have a point.
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I'm amazed at the amount of stupidity here. These protesting morons have nothing to stand on other than the fact they're Muslim. They're saying Muslim == support terrorism. Neuski's analogy to Catholic molestors is right on (and don't forget they all bomb abortion clinics too). Get a grip, Smith. You know this is hate-based. Don't be naive. At what point did we start needing evidence in this country that someone is not a terrorist?
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The park is open to the general public that day as well. Imo, I think getting people of different cultures to interact socially in a fun environment is beneficial. I'm really not sure where the leap of logic comes from that SF would let any money escape their park to go to any outside organization. It reads like the Muslim group is a sponsor, and not receiving money from the public or SF on that day. It's most likely a community outreach effort.
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As was mentioned before, the greatest irony is that the group is called "Americans Against Hate". It just bears repeating. There was a time when we locked all people of Japanese decent in concentration camps in this country out of "fear"...and blacklisted people out of fear of being "red". Apparantly, some in this country like repeating mistakes.
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I realize that I'm new here, but I couldn't let this pass without putting my 2 cents worth in. I don't disagree that this seems like a completely innocent group and that it is a nice opportunity for them to have a wonderful day at a theme park. I will disagree with some of the comments of others here however, who think that we should just not worry about muslim groups and look the other way. Since 9/11/2001, things in the world and the United States have changed dramatically. It is by looking the other way that 3 planes and the World Trade Center were destroyed. It is by looking the other way that thousands of people are dead and their families forever fractured because of this. Now I don't know anything about this protesting organization and it is irrevelent what the name of it is. I'm just saying that dismissing these things out of hand is the wrong thing to do. By forgetting history we are doomed to repeat similar mistakes in the future. I do have some knowledge of this situation as well, considering I am a war veteran of Operation Desert Shield/Storm and served many proud years in the U.S. Army. The muslim religion is not a terrorist organization, however a vast majority of terrorist activity is performed by Muslim people. Don't think that they aren't among us as some of the biggest supporters of these terrorists organizations are right here in the U.S. They are doctors, lawyers and everyday individuals who are supporting these organizations. If you don't believe this do a little internet search and I'm sure you can come up with volumes of information on it. All I'm saying is that you just never know and there is nothing wrong with exercising a little caution in these situations.
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It's amazing that you think that whenever someone protests anything then it's all about hate. This organization is trying to bring to light about the sponser of this event which supposed to have ties to terrorist groups. Many muslims contribute to these organizations without know any of what is going on behind the scenes. Like I have said, in the past 20 years more terrorist acts are committed being the radical muslims and the non-radical muslims have yet to commit such acts.
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I'm curious as to how this group "Islamic Circle of North America" will genrate money through SFOT in the first place. Then give the money to someone will to blow something up. It is "Muslim Family Day". Not "Islamic Circle of North America Day". Those Floridians should just buy a ticket to get in and then buy flash passes so they can express their protest through legitimate line cutting while smoking heavily, without shirts, and soaked after riding Runaway Mountain. And if the FBI has a watchful eye on this group, why would they admit it?
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Keep in mind that if you pay your taxes, you are sponsoring terrorism and a whole host of other unsavories. And yes, it IS all about HATE in my case. Can you blame me?
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I agree with Wild Thing, how exactly will the "terrorist" organization get money from this? Is SF planning on cutting them a check?*** This post was edited by Coasterbuzzer 10/5/2007 2:25:39 PM ***
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Way to snack on the fear brownies, Tye. No one disagrees that there are radical Islamic terrorists. That doesn't make all Muslims terrorists, not by any means. You're right, forgetting history does doom us to making the same mistakes over and over, as OhioStater has demonstrated. This isn't "exercising caution," it's hate mongering, and it's offensive to me.
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It's just ridiculous that people actually have to protest something like this. IMO, i honestly think it might have something to do with the culture in Texas. Now, I'm not from Texas, but it seems like there are not many Muslims that live there, so when Muslims do come there, they might seem like "outsiders" and they're not wanted. I don't know, just weird there is actually going to be a protest over this. I mean, at Great America in Santa Clara over the summer, there was a Muslim Unity Day. Nothing protest like came about over that. I don't really know how to respond to it because I'm from California and we have tons of Muslims living here and I don't look at them as terrorists.
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Hey Putz, what's with the anti-Catholic generalizations? Engaging in a little douchebaggery of your own?
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I guess there won't be long lines at the burger stands... Obey, the Cow God!
-Green Jelly
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Being Muslim, I guess I won't be going to any Texas parks soon!"Americans Against Hate"- seems kind of contradictory don't you think? My family is so used to this now that it doesn't even phase us. Ignorance reigns, and we have to be happy to live here. If people would actually educate themselves, they would be amazed at how similar the three monotheistic (yes, Muslims believe in God) really are. But we are human, and strive to find differences. Some of you really hit it right. You have your bad apples in every bunch. I guess Hitler, Timothy McVeigh, and the abortion lab bombers are Muslims right? What you see in the media represents .0001% of Islam and true Muslims.
*** This post was edited by Hatham Al-Shabibi 10/5/2007 4:03:07 PM ***
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Americans against hate boycotting Muslims? Aren't they hating on Muslims? Talk about your Bi-Polar views. Chuck*** This post was edited by Charles Nungester 10/5/2007 4:17:02 PM ***
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It was sarcasm, RatherGoodBear!
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The protestors are not protesting about muslims in general. They are protesting the ICNA. There's a big difference. Protesting one group of muslims is not a protest against all muslims.
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True, but in today's times the perception counts for a lot. When was the last time a Jewish or Christian, or even Hindu event was protested? Being Muslim I do not see myself as a victim at all, I love this country. But I can not stand blatant ignorance.
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...Actually, that last statement was a bit too defensive. There are some hardcore Christian organizations out there that do get protested.
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Yes there are. Many times catholic groups are protested. Because I do not know anything about the ICNA, I do not know if this protest is warranted or not.*** This post was edited by PointMan 10/5/2007 5:10:18 PM ***
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Actually there won't be any long lines for the pulled pork BBQ stands. Have Fun Paul
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Why the bashing of Texas? the group of proteters are from Florida, we have a very large Muslim Pop. here and we do treat them with respect for the most part, this is what blows my mind, you all just assume that because it's in Texas, that a big group of cowboys and rednecks are goning to ride up on horses and four wheelers and start hanging people, sheesh.
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I loathe to respond as a realize the religious fervor involved for so many when discussing issues that they rightly or wrongly perceive as racial. I only write the following to focus on critical thinking for which the article in question has made impossible. There is simply not enough data to determine who is telling the truth. I realize that this lack of data has not deterred many from opining...but I'll do my best to act as a counter-balance... Where to start...? Shotgun answers to plethera of responses... Disclaimer: As before...I make no judgements as to the credibility of either side...but rather point out that absent preconcieved bias, there is no way you can blame anybody from the fluff found in such a subjective article. Or all CHRISTIANS for Hitler. He wasn't exactly a Buddhist. Those predisposed to viewing the world through "isms" (racism, sexism, etc) love to through out all encompassing accusations. In this case one need only look at the article to find exactly what this group is protesting. Exact quote... - "While we understand that the vast majority of American Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism, the opposite is the case with ICNA," Mr. Kaufman wrote.
This kind of reminds me of the right wingers who protested gay day at the San Diego zoo. I think some people have too much time. I can buy gay protests as something hateful. I'm not sure how this compares to a group protesting ICNA who some believe "funnel money to Hamas." If this is true...I'm glad somebody actually takes the time to enlighten us. Beats the alternative for which 9/11 was the result. There must be a better way to protest terrorism than to ruin a day for families trying to have fun. Pretty fair statement assuming AAH has no real evidence to support their accusations. How could anybody know from this article? If they indeed are funneling money to Hamas...I've no problem with this group interrupting the family fun day though... Why are you making negative comments about Texas? The group arranging the protest is from Florida. Do you really have to ask this? You are allowed to make fictitious judgements and generalizations about unprotected entities. Muslims are a protected entity for those predisposed to seeing everything through an ism. Christians, white males, and Texas are examples of entities that would fall outside protected status. A group called Americans Against HATE is protesting a Muslim FAMILY day? As bad as the article was in terms of objectivity and discernable data from which to make an informed opinion...I think it was clear that this AAH group was mereley protesting ICNA! I'm amazed at the amount of stupidity here. These protesting morons have nothing to stand on other than the fact they're Muslim. They're saying Muslim == support terrorism. Actually, this is not what they are saying at all. I'll post the quote again... - "While we understand that the vast majority of American Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism, the opposite is the case with ICNA," Mr. Kaufman wrote.
It is you Jeff who is misrepresenting the words and thoughts of the protestors. They've said the opposite of what you accuse. I guess stupidity is the eye of the beholder... Get a grip, Smith. You know this is hate-based. No I don't know this. You've accused the protestors of being hateful based upon...? For so many who view the world through isms it becomes impossible to maintain objectivity. Nothing in this article demonstrates hate. You've decided such is the case absent any evidence suggesting what you say is true. Don't be naive. At what point did we start needing evidence in this country that someone is not a terrorist? I don't think me or anybody has made judgments as to the innocence or guilt of the ICNA. But why would you be concerned with evidence anyhow? You are willing to castigate the AAH as hateful based upon nothing. It's just ridiculous that people actually have to protest something like this. IMO, i honestly think it might have something to do with the culture in Texas. going to be a protest over this. This is some great irony...considering the group is from Florida. The only objective data we've found in this whole thread so far is that those so prone to label racism have some among them that are willing to misquote and just outright ignore the article to support their opinion. I would hope for better... Hey Putz, what's with the anti-Catholic generalizations? This would be another example of an unprotected group. Judgments and generalizations are not wrong in and of themselves for those prone to the strangulation of isms. In this particular case, Putz saw the words Muslim and protest. This was all that was needed. Throw the entire article and quotes aside. The game was on...news was made. And here we are defending Muslims and castigating Texas and Catholics. The facts, or lack thereof, just do not matter. Any group that would dare protest any Muslim group has to be racist...right...? It can't be that there is a chance this Muslim group is not what it says...? Anyhow, for those who are interested...Google the ICNA and see some of the stuff out there. There is enough out there to color any critical thinker confused. Regardless of what you determine to be true (I've no clue myself), it is pretty obvious that this particular article did not provide enough data to form the strong opinions and judgments demonstrated on this thread. These strong opinions and judgments are preconcieved responses typical fom those so wrapped up in isms that they are incapable of acknowledging other possible causes for events. On coasterbuzz this typically involves the same cast of characters. The buzzword may be different (thug, crime, etc) than"Muslim"...but the reponses, misquotes, and general inability to correctly quote the article and/or to discern fact from opinion will remain the same. I'm tired right now...that should keep some of you busy for a while as I eagerly await the "it was too long I didn't read it" punt!
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A million roofles at anyone who thinks that Catholics were attacked in this thread in any shape or form. The lack of reading comprehension skills in here are remarkable today.
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It was too long I didn't read it. Really, I like your views. At the same time, people will portray harmless objectives to the media but in the big picture a lot of people will have problems having that many Muslims in one place. I can see where certain organizations arise suspicion and though I do not agree with the "big picture" of it, I see the protesting party's point of view.
I like your argument with -isms. Categorizing is way too easy now, maybe some people are shocked that Muslims actually go to theme parks.
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I will say let the protest it if they want....It is well within their rights to do so. Even if I happen to disagree with them and their idiotic cause. I fully understand that there are irrational people in all walks of life (fanatics just doesnt seem right to me, and neither does radical IMO). There are irrational people who write of pedophiles as priests, there are irrational people who attack innocent people, it doesnt matter the religion, race, nationality, or whatever. Is the ICNA even on the Federal watch list for terrorist funding? And what does the ICNA have to do with Muslim day? And why cant we just a plain old white folks or black (please excuse me if that comes our racist, it isnt meant that way) folks days? Seriously. It is this having Gay Day, Mexican Day, Muslim Day or whatever day that is actually making it harder for some people to let go of their prejudism or acknowledge that they have a prejudice. Everyone is prejudice to some degree, even me. I try to work on my prejudism one day, one instance at a time. It is all I can do.
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The Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) is on the U.S. Senate Scrutiny list. There are around twenty-five organizations on the list, most people haven't even heard of. The list doesn't include major institutions like Al-Queada, Hamas, Taliban, etc. It includes more "home grown" parties that could possibly channel funding to some of the larger ones. This (I am guessing) is the justification behind the protesting. Even though I personally believe that it is a religious (a bunch of Muslims gathering in general) protest (in some contexts), there is somewhat of a rationale behind the protest.
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After researching the site of Americans Against Hate, I found that it is somewhat underground, even bashing our own government for providing funds for "terrorist" organizations. The article covering the Family Day: "Six Flags Over Texas, a Dallas-area amusement park, will be invaded by a radical Muslim organization that has physical ties with the Muslim Brotherhood and financial ties to Hamas. While most patrons of the park come for the games and rides, those involved with this group’s event, Muslim Family Day, may very well have found an original and appealing way to spread anti-Western hatred." Notice the context, such as the word "invaded" and "radical". Obviously the organization is pretty sure of their objective.
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Will the park be closed to everyone else? This issue came up in England, due to Islam's rules against the women being near unrelated men, therefore only Muslims could be in the park that day.
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...Sorry I keep posting, but if you look at their site, the organization proclaims itself as against hate, but there is nothing about American racism (such as black and Hispanic racism), only Arab related articles, along with pro-Israel articles.
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There is virtue in illuminating real hate and racism. If there were evidence of such in this story, nobody worthy of consideration would doubt the claims of “hate.”. However, it is so tiring to constantly observe and tolerate the “diversity police” picking and choosing those worthy of being judged…and doing so with dynamic standards. There is irony that accusations of money funneling by ICNA are treated with skepticism, while postings of “douchbagery” are to be accepted without question. If fairness is indeed a respected ideal, it should be applied evenly and consistently. Sadly, that does not happen as much as it should.
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Notice the context, such as the word "invaded" and "radical". Obviously the organization is pretty sure of their objective. I know...if they would have just called them douch bags...that would have been credible! There are so many agendas involved in this thread, it gets hard to keep them straight. Too bad the agenda is not objectivity and truth...for all involved!
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You are right. A topic of this kind sparks many opinions and controversy.
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I agree with Smith. As much as I think this is a solely cultural and educational gathering of Muslims, I don't know the back story of the organization. It's best to take a completely neutral look at the situation and completely rid of emotion from your reasoning. It's tough to do but the only way to really get anywhere. Also, remember that the greatest and most difficult tolerance is to tolerate the intolerant.
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I like your opinions, and I like your quote there SFGAM. It is hard for people to not get emotional. People will get hurt no matter what happens, so risks are always taken.
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Neuski, I understand that your comment was sarcasm. Your comment implied that an entire group should no be judged by the behavior of a few of its members. Mr. Putz, however, decided to embellish it with some comments that had nothing to do with the issue at hand. What does an abortion clinic have to do with Muslim day at a theme park in Texas? And (are you reading and comprehending this Matt?) using the phrase "they all" to describe any group is clearly generalization and frankly it's bigotry. To say "they all bomb abortion clinics" is equivalent to saying "they all have AIDS," "they all own the media," and "they all are too lazy to work but not to breed," and so on. Everyone knows the implications that follow a statement like that: Catholics are against abortion-- therefore, they hate women, they want to keep people suppressed, they want to tell you how to live your life, they want to take away your rights, etc. It's been repeated enough in a kazillion political campaigns, special interest group propaganda, and in editorials that it isn't necessary to finish the thought any more. If anyone feels these comments aren't appropriate for this forum, tough. That's what your scroll button is for. I have noticed in several other threads a number of anti-Christian comments. You're entitled to your opinions whatever they are, but once you post them it here, I'm as entitled to jump right in after you, and I will.
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The real crime is that this story was even written. It was obviously designed to fire up emotions. By advertising this group, they give credibility where none would probably exist otherwise. If this group is correct in the "money funneling" claims, then that is the story that needs to be investigated and told. Unfortunately, investigative journalism is from a bygone era (except a few internet sites/blogs), as the easy/lazy reporting involves taking a few quotes from the parties involved and treating their opinions as facts...worthy of equal weight. The more work a reporter puts into the story, the better chance that he/she will have to leave some of the sensationalism out of it...as the facts don't check out. I'm not sure Putz really believes what he is saying. I've always said this site was a personality-based endeavor. The minimal thought and flaming language leads me to believe his main goal is to fire up discussion. This makes good business sense while adding little to the way of critical thinking and objective thought discussion. There are enough willing participants on many sides of different issues (as this thread shows) capable of maintaining interesting and civil discussion. Sometimes it takes an ignition to get it going though...
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Jeff was also being sarcastic! Unbelievable!
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Exactly. The argument was that Muslims shouldn't be automatically painted as terrorists, just the same way Catholics shouldn't be automatically branded as child molesting pedophiles and abortion-clinic bombers. It's pretty clear that many Catholics have quite a persecution complex (and I'm not making a statement on whether or not that is justified, maybe it is, maybe it isn't) but taking a statement that was clearly meant to illustrate why prejudice based on religious preference is WRONG and turning it into perceived Catholic bashing is just silly and over the top.
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As mentioned before...as long as it's not a complete buyout and others can come...who cares? The New York Mets during the Summer had various ethnic themed nights (Greek American night, Jewish Americans Night, yada yada yada...) All that meant was that there was some ethnic themed pre-game entertainment, a few announcements in that night's particular language and some cultural music between innings and a ceremonial first ball by an appropriate community leader. The rest of the game was business as usual. This Muslim Night is kind of a non-story - except for the protesters trying to make it one. PS - I am not from Texas. If I had plans to go to the park that day and I found out about the event a few days before my visit, I wouldn't change my mind about going at all. PSS - As an elementary school teacher, I have a wide variety of children in my classes. Over the years my children have taught me to judge individuals as individulas and not as a group. Sometimes children know best.
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How is the money being funneled if they are paying to use SFOT? Arms deal on Titan anyone?
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Why would someone who plans a terrorist attack on an amusement park need a 'muslim family day' to find out how to do it?And even if you are afraid someone gets 'ideas' - people might actually be having fun and seeing other people also having fun which may cause them to think about what they are doing.I think that the element of social integration is probably more important than the possible dangers. Of course, if the group that organises this day is indeed sponsoring 'terrorism' (which is more than unlikely) I doubt the department of homeland security won't have an eye on them anyway.
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"They're saying Muslim == support terrorism." FTA:
"While we understand that the vast majority of American Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism, the opposite is the case with ICNA," Mr. Kaufman wrote. They are *NOT* saying all Muslims have to do w/ terrorism, they are targeting this specific group (according to this line of the article / chairman. Whether or not this is TRULY their goal, I don't know, as I know nothing about this group, but it really looks like they are targeting this group, not all muslim's period.
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Yeah, OK. That's why the group against hate only hates on Muslim organizations and is pro-Israel (based on Hatham's research anyway). But surely we're missing some kind of interesting details in Smith's intellectual fantasy world, right? And for God's sake, I don't hate Catholics, I'm dating one. I was being ironic and sarcastic. Do I need more winks and smileys? Like I said... the same mistakes, over and over. You'd think from one generation to the next, we'd remember them.
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This whole thing is stupid all around. Just another thread that is way off topic to what this site should be about... F-Ing ROLLER COASTERS! So what if a bunch of people (50) feel they need to travle 6 states to go be a bunch of whiney babies because another group wants to ride some rides? I think both groups are a JOKE to begin with. Would this even BE an issue to us if it happened somewhere other that at SF park? Much less any other park? C'mon... If there is any shred of truth to the accusations that both sides impose on each other, I'm sure big brother has a finger on it and we can all just go on with our happy little lives. So forget the stupid generalizations that seem to fly around here. No matter how true some may seem. It's a waste of time. You know what they say about opinions and a-holes... Shut up and get back to mourning the demise of GL. Dummies. *** This post was edited by WildThingNative 10/6/2007 6:12:47 PM ***
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Jeff, let's use your logic for once. You claim that anyone who protests does it out of hate and racism. Why don't you bash Sharpton and Jackson who are doing the exact same thing against whites? Sharpton and Jackson both are shakedown artists in which they live off the threat of accusing businesses of being racists if they don't give in to thier demands. They do march against anyone and anything at the drop of a hat. As for the AAH goes, it's pointing out that one of the sponsers of this Mulsim family day is on the watch list of funding terrorism. More than likely it will not do any good since most people are like you Jeff who only reads the headlines and not the real story behind it.
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